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KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« on: April 27, 2016, 12:34:29 AM »
KIC 8462852 is a star in the Cygnus constellation.
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If you haven't read the paper http://arxiv.org/abs/1509.03622

What do you think? Is it a Dyson Swarm, or a comet swarm?
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 12:47:52 AM »
The latter, but I really want to believe the former.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 12:50:50 AM »
The latter, but I really want to believe the former.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2016, 02:12:55 AM »
Wikipedia has a page describing the Stapledon-Dyson sphere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere 
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 10:36:40 PM »
A Dyson swarm would be... Interesting. Though I'd be somewhat concerned about what an alien civilization capable of it might think of poor primitive little Earth. On the up side it's about 1500 light years away so we're unlikely to run into them any time soon... But what've they done since completing the Dyson swarm? Probably a lot.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 11:43:39 PM »
A Dyson swarm would be... Interesting. Though I'd be somewhat concerned about what an alien civilization capable of it might think of poor primitive little Earth. On the up side it's about 1500 light years away so we're unlikely to run into them any time soon... But what've they done since completing the Dyson swarm? Probably a lot.
I don't think they would invade unless they like war for some reason, because at that point in technological development it isn't necessary to rely on migration to survive.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2016, 01:21:51 AM »
Belated news: KIC 8462852 has been dimming for decades.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.03256
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2016, 12:13:42 AM »
But can we really count on human psychology and sociology to apply to an alien species? And there are so many factors that we can't even begin to draw conclusions about. Perhaps, for whatever reason, they have no empathy whatever for other intelligent life, or 'they' aren't even alive in the first place. Maybe it's a bunch of someone's von Neumann probes gone rampant. More than that, it isn't necessary that the civilization feels compelled to attack us to take control of this planet or solar system, a corporation of sorts may decide it would like to stripmine our asteroid belt and a few planets here, and if there is some indigenous life in the way, who cares out here, beyond the borders of what is known to them as civilized space.

Of course these are just a handful of possibilities, and there are many more which are beneficial or at least neutral to our own survival and advancement. It's equally plausible a galactic civilization would be benevolent or would refrain from influencing, perhaps by law, less advanced worlds. If this is a Dyson swarm, and if humanity lasts long enough to run into its creators, I'm rather hoping for one of the less devastating alternatives. However hope is a poor reason to refrain from considering other possibilities.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2016, 12:19:26 AM »
But can we really count on human psychology and sociology to apply to an alien species? And there are so many factors that we can't even begin to draw conclusions about. Perhaps, for whatever reason, they have no empathy whatever for other intelligent life, or 'they' aren't even alive in the first place. Maybe it's a bunch of someone's von Neumann probes gone rampant. More than that, it isn't necessary that the civilization feels compelled to attack us to take control of this planet or solar system, a corporation of sorts may decide it would like to stripmine our asteroid belt and a few planets here, and if there is some indigenous life in the way, who cares out here, beyond the borders of what is known to them as civilized space.

Of course these are just a handful of possibilities, and there are many more which are beneficial or at least neutral to our own survival and advancement. It's equally plausible a galactic civilization would be benevolent or would refrain from influencing, perhaps by law, less advanced worlds. If this is a Dyson swarm, and if humanity lasts long enough to run into its creators, I'm rather hoping for one of the less devastating alternatives. However hope is a poor reason to refrain from considering other possibilities.
I agree that we cannot rely on human behavior to anticipate the actions of E.T.s. When I wrote my post, I was thinking it would be more likely and less costly for a civilization to expand into the billions of uninhabited worlds that exist in the universe.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2016, 12:28:05 AM »
Also, I think that a civilization that can make megastructures is capable of practical nuclear transmutation.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 12:33:04 AM »
True, there's merit to that, but it falls prey to the assumption that it really is that simple to hop off to another star on a whim when they find that we're here. Now, what if FTL travel is either limited or nonexistent? Whatever probe or survey team came out to check out Earth may have been here thousands or millions of years ago, really only limited by how swiftly life and technology evolved on the E.T.'s homeworld and how fast they expanded from there. Finding a bit of life on the planet would be a boon, perhaps useful to efforts to use the planet, and if it really took thousands of years to get the survey data, they'd be disinclined to discard it because there was a possibility of some intelligent locals. Whatever colonization/utilization fleet ends up here might not be expecting us, and probably wouldn't be enthusiastic about sitting around a few centuries or longer as they wait for orders, or somewhere else to go.. Meaning they're stuck with us, and there are plenty of ways that could go bad. Few ways it could go well, but I'm more inclined to plan for unsavory outcomes.. Though there probably isn't anything we could actually do. Other than hope they think we're too adorable and entertaining to mess with.
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 05:47:27 AM »
Now the explanation is a breakup of thirty halley's comets.

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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 06:05:21 AM »
A study of the accuracy of the photographic plate data:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1601.07314
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 09:22:27 PM »
Uwah... Can someone explain this is layman terms? Harnessing the power of a star?
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Re: KIC 8462852 Tabby's Star: Comet or Dyson swarm?
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 09:35:57 PM »
There's some star crap in space, and borkbork wants to talk about it.


ummm, to make it clearer, theres a star/something making weird lights and waves that people didn't expect.
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