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Offline Kadian

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El Presidente Trump?
« on: November 09, 2016, 07:24:53 AM »
As it stands now, Trump has 266 votes and can get up to 40 more. He is winning, by a landslide, he basically just needs to get one more state to win.

What I want to hear now are opinions about this. Or if you are American, even better, you could share some insights for outsiders like me: What is the appeal to vote for Trump? I just don't understand it, and I would like to hear others if they anticipated Trump to win.

Of course, I shall start with my own opinion, in order to start the discussion:
As some of you know, I'm not from the USA. I look as an outsider at this mess of an election, and for the last few months I was firm in my believe that nobody with a sound mind would vote Trump instead of Clinton.
'Why' is easily explained. Trump isn't as intelligent as Clinton, he tells lies whenever he opens his mouth, he insulted at least half the population of the USA, and obviously, he has no experience with politics. If someone thinks that leading an enterprise or a company is basically the same thing - no, it's not.
I'll be honest here. I'm looking as an European at this mess at the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. I thought that Bernie Sanders - yes, that 'socialist jew' as some would call him - would have been the best option for the USA. He would have actually helped the poor people and would have taken the money from the rich people, and he could have changed the USA for the better in the long run. But he lost to Clinton, so that was out of the question. I don't like Hillary, but she was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.

Anyways, opinions, go! Also, if, by some miracle, Clinton wins, we can talk about this too, and speak about how close Trump actually was.

disclaimer: I'm using the numbers from http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president ; other networks have different numbers, but overall it's the same everywhere, Trump is winning.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 07:44:34 AM »
Looks like the orange guy has 276, so we have our winner.

If you'll excuse me I'm going to go have a drink or three.
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2016, 07:47:29 AM »
NBC just confirmed Clinton called Trump to concede... Make America Great Again Baby!

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2016, 08:16:49 AM »
As a Canadian who's been watching this election with great interest... I have to admit I am having quite the laugh at the expense of all my friends in the states who didn't bother to vote because "Nobody would actually elect Trump".

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2016, 08:53:35 AM »



Anyone want to start a betting pool for when trump starts World War 3?

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2016, 09:54:27 AM »
another non-murican here :P
Trump is a lot of the things i dont like, but boy, do i hate Hillary .... she represents EVERYTHING i hate in a politician : pro-corporate, pro-globalization, hidden agendas, corruption, need i continue ... so i'd rather have a populist clown with delusions of grandeur than a machiavelic malevolent witch at the helm of USA.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2016, 11:48:56 AM »
Aussie here. Me, I'll vote for anyone who'll throw a wrench in the works. So I would of voted for Trump.
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 12:12:13 PM »
Trump is a lot of the things i dont like, but boy, do i hate Hillary .... she represents EVERYTHING i hate in a politician : pro-corporate, pro-globalization, hidden agendas, corruption, need i continue ... so i'd rather have a populist clown with delusions of grandeur than a machiavelic malevolent witch at the helm of USA.

It's entirely different when you consider that said populist is someone who hates most foreigners and sits on one of the largest Pile of Nuclear Weapons and commands the best army in the world. At least with Clinton you were sure that she wouldn't consider war as a valid option.
Also, do you really think Trump is NOT pro-corporate? he is the owner of quite huge enterprises, everything that's good for corporations are also good for him. And what'S wrong with globalization? That's the future, and it would be good to embrace it while there is still time.
As to hidden agendas...I agree. Corruption...yaaah, Pretty sure Trump, with his background, could end up being corrupted too. 'nuff said there.

Aussie here. Me, I'll vote for anyone who'll throw a wrench in the works. So I would of voted for Trump.
Anarchist there? The last time someone threw a 'wrench' into the german democracy we ended up with Hitler. And not too long ago a revolution in turkey tried to throw a 'wrench' as well, and look how they ended up. Death Penalty, Censorship, it is on its way to become an autocracy.
Of course, nobody says that something similar will happen with Trump. But there will be damage to the democratic system thanks to this whole mess.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2016, 01:43:11 PM »
Trump is the least worst case scenario.

So I'm okay with this.  Please remember that the media shitsorm machine isn't always omnipotent.  It's easy to hate somebody you only ever hear bad bad nasty propaganda about

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2016, 03:39:10 PM »
I know it was a hard choice between two really bad politicians, but at least one had an actual training and career as one? I really can't think of anything good that could come out of this. It's a thing of principles for me at least, his campaign was solely based on bad pr and with a racist undertone, and I don't think that should ever be a good way to get people to vote you, unless you want the hate of all the other countries in the world. It will just make the already built up tension of racism in the us grow and get stronger. I'm not from there, but I do know people that live there, and quite a few are latinos. I just hope all this tension building up doesn't explode on them. It's scary.
He might not have laws against immigrants that travelled legally and that have everything right, as I read, but the way the campaign went down and how it was seen has racism all over it. And that's horrible.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2016, 05:57:02 PM »
Trump won the election.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 07:53:19 PM »



Anyone want to start a betting pool for when trump starts World War 3?

6 months max, we will have world twitter war 5. Maybe even 6 in the same week.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2016, 08:04:18 PM »
Lol its nice to see people react to trump the way i reacted to obama

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2016, 08:52:11 PM »
I know it was a hard choice between two really bad politicians, but at least one had an actual training and career as one? I really can't think of anything good that could come out of this. It's a thing of principles for me at least, his campaign was solely based on bad pr and with a racist undertone, and I don't think that should ever be a good way to get people to vote you, unless you want the hate of all the other countries in the world. It will just make the already built up tension of racism in the us grow and get stronger. I'm not from there, but I do know people that live there, and quite a few are latinos. I just hope all this tension building up doesn't explode on them. It's scary.
He might not have laws against immigrants that travelled legally and that have everything right, as I read, but the way the campaign went down and how it was seen has racism all over it. And that's horrible.
Racism is an overused term.  I could argue for the exact same things you think Trump is and never mention race once.

for instance; we need to track immigration and document them.  For reasons of tax, for reasons of population, for reasons of census, crisis prevention and mitigation, and even welfare expenditure and infrastructure planning.

Letting people come in to the country without knowing about them and their past, without collecting taxes from their work or enforcing labor laws, letting them be unexpected and unpredictable expenditures is bad; detrimental.


Whatever trump sounded like, the reality is that some of the ideas he has are not bad.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2016, 10:18:01 PM »
Nobody look at me, I voted for Richard Duncan.
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