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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2016, 10:28:39 PM »
Oh I know, and I really don't want to start a debate here, but I'll try to clear up. I do know his laws are against illegal inmigration, it's just that saying that discrimination against people of different races wasn't a part of the campaign at all would be, in my opinion, not saying the truth.
I seriously hope that he does good stuff, I seriously do, but I fear that it will be quite a hard time for latinos up there. The wall, is, I guess, something reasonable, even if debatable, but the statement of making mexico pay for it is insulting at the least, condemning a whole country of being a problem at worst. It's seriously insulting for all the people I know, and I'm not even from Mexico. Maybe you see it that way, maybe you don't, and that's ok, but the fact is that it still makes a huge division on what everyone thinks of your country.

Now I'll try to not reply anymore, as I really don't want to think about it. But I seriously hope best of luck for all of us! Hope you made a good decision, I really do.

EDIT: I had wrote normal instead of illegal inmigration.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2016, 03:06:16 AM »
Voted Trump, gotta fight that globalization fam

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2016, 07:24:36 AM »
The whole electoral system needs a wrecking ball. Sadly, putting a wrecking ball in charge after an election doesn't actually break the system immediately. I was pro Bernie, but I'm a Canadian. No vote for me. I would likely have voted for Hillary, as Trump is outright verbally hostile to a number of minority groups, some of which I am a part of. But I do not like Hillary. If anything her competence makes her more able to use the government systems more effectively to actually do something, and I don't really like what she's proposed. She's really just a guarantee that we'll see more of the same flavours of corruption America's political shitshow has been offering for decades.


If we're doing the straightup comparison of current US politics and 1930's Germany, there's some big key differences. While my understanding of it is fuzzy, I know the German electoral system had a few fundamental differences that let it get abused and turned into what it did under the Nazi regime. US politics has no good way of breaking out of gridlock. If Obama wants universal healthcare and congress sits there sitting on their hands saying "naw", you get years of time wasted and a lot of tired people.

That same inability to get shit done is a mechanism that will also keep Trump from trying to declare war. I don't think the president can even declare war independently like that? That same gridlock of congress approval is what's also gonna keep Trump's powers as President from changing any time soon. It's tedious government, but it stops sudden dictators pretty damn well.

If america did go to war: who with? Compared to Germany, USA doesn't exactly have many neighbouring nations it can quietly walk into and occupy. Mexico? Places in South America? Canada? I mean I guess you could invade the place you export all your cheap labour to, but then it wouldn't be export? I guess you could invade Canada, but it'd cost a fuck of a lot less to just make us a deeper business partner. Anywhere the United States might consider going to war with is very likely to be a long distance engagement, along the lines of the same shit we've been seeing for years with fighting in various Middle Eastern countries. And while it was shitty, it was not even close to World War territory.

I guess America could throw rocks at Russia, but who the fuck wants to do that? How is that lucrative? It's fucking Russia. Shooting anything long-distance is just gonna scare everybody else, meaning little support from other nations. Anything shooting over Canada as a shortcut rather than from undersea subs is just gonna jeopardize friendly relations with us, and that's bad for business. It's doubly bad for business because sending troops, ships, planes, weapons, supplies overseas isn't cheap either.

Threatening with nukes? We've been there before, it was USA and Russia holding their fingers over the big red buttons and nobody wanted to do it. Nobody wants that. Nukes are a thing you say you'll use and you never fucking do. Talking about using nukes and getting the actual permissions to go ahead and do so is also worlds apart.


You're far more likely to see four years of tedious nonsense that goes nowhere like Obamacare did, some real dumb, bad, but reversible laws get shoved through and then petitioned to death by the common people. Or delayed, which is fine too, delays keep the internet free! My money's (hah) on another major depression, like a 100 year anniversary of the 1920's. My concerns are more for the riots that will follow, as voters stick to their 'allegiances' post election. My fear is for the people who take Trump's "lets get rid of all the illegal immigrants" and interpret it as a free pass to be violent toward these ethnic groups. I am far more concerned by the reaction to Trump than Trump himself right now. And I don't even live in your country.
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2016, 08:48:59 AM »
Yeah, good luck with Trump americans. I remember last time you elected back bush and we had a global recession cos of his financial smarts, now you have a president who seems to think running a country is like running corporations. Not saying hillary would be a good president but trump has the diplomatic and economical skills on the level of berlusconi and hes making a fool of himself by a weekly basis. The only hope we have is that hes surrounded by people who actually knows anything and he listens to them.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2016, 02:21:40 PM »
I cannot believe people think trump will round up dirty brownskins by gunpoint and deport or declare war on 'xyz'.

I can't.  The man will have a cadre of cabinet personell who ecist because they know their job, the generals didn't change suddenly, and he lacks the motives for anything if this sort of.

Holy hell like do people take the same rhetoric that him into power as his true intentions?  This is ludicrous on the same level as people claim Obama was trying to be king forlife


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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2016, 05:57:06 PM »
I'd disagree with some. Clinton was plainly the worse choice. Lying about policy, getting richer while in office, giving out contracts to friends, rigging the primaries, buying off the media, not having much substance in debates besides attacks (which surprised me, honestly, as I expected Trump would be the clear loser there), funneling weapons to potential enemies, thinking war with Russia would be simple, having a clear plan laid out for the use of nuclear weapons that could realistically see them used, covering up rape, evading taxes, being investigated twice by the FBI, bringing forgien politicians and past presidents in to try to influence the election, getting the US involved in 6 different wars (which you never seem to hear about), to name a few things, make her seem like a poor candidate.

Trump is a bit of an idiot, but he's really our generation's George Wallace rather than the monster he's been made out to be. Wallace ran on a platform of racism and hate, but after being elected to governor, he spent more of his time building roads and working on economic issues than actually standing by his "opinions". In his own words, he just had to "out nigger" the competition in order to be elected.

At best, Trump will prove reasonably competent (which I doubt, given his economic policies, which should be his strong point, are pretty much just broken Reaganomics). At worst, he will use his position to get richer, which Clinton was already doing.

I would have much rather seen Sanders vs. Paul, since that would have been two real choices who actually believe in something. That said, I think Sanders would have been a poor choice for the US. He would have been great for Canada (much better than our current PM), but his way of "fixing" their country would have just wrecked it further. Half of their problems that he made part of his platform are just the long term effects of the kind of legislation he was talking about introducing. High education costs, for example, don't exist because of lack of federal monies - they exist because the generation before us GOT lots of funding, and the schools realized they could charge more.

In the end, you guys dodged a bus, only to get hit by a mini-van. Had Johnson been able to shift his compact out of neutral, it probably would have run you over, too.
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2016, 05:59:41 PM »
We could argue about this all day. What's done is done.
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2016, 06:01:32 PM »
It's a thread asking for opinions and debate. CDDA is usually surprisingly civil when it comes to this. What's wrong with that?
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2016, 06:11:15 PM »
Its all talking.  And people are better off talking here than making war somewhere else.  Or going to the dreaded echo chambers.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2016, 06:41:11 PM »
I cannot believe people think trump will round up dirty brownskins by gunpoint and deport or declare war on 'xyz'.

I can't.  The man will have a cadre of cabinet personell who ecist because they know their job, the generals didn't change suddenly, and he lacks the motives for anything if this sort of.

Holy hell like do people take the same rhetoric that him into power as his true intentions?  This is ludicrous on the same level as people claim Obama was trying to be king forlife

Only post i make here then back to gaming, but sicne when does Trump listen to anyone ? THey had to take is twitter away from him for fucking sake !!!

Bu yea, im sure he wont be that bad. He's just a russian marrionet, so its the other madman who will decide what happen in the states  :D. Not that i care, im canadian :D. Just hope i dont get splash too much by the hell that's coming :D.


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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2016, 06:45:05 PM »
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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2016, 03:36:43 AM »
Ignorance triumphs.

Shake things up?  Hardly.  Trump has zero idea about politics, running a country, international anything except maybe wife importing, nada, nothing. I'd be surprised if he has enough attention span to count to 20 uninterrupted.

Some of his ideas are terrible, some are decent, but ultimately, since he is going to need a lot of help to do anything, and he's going to be influenced by and tainted by the absolute worst of the republican party (the dregs that actually supported him openly that he'll now reward).

So basically, IMO, we're going to have Bush III or worse - a puppet that inflicts the absolute idiocy of the republican party.  Again.  They'll run the country into the ground.  Again.  Probably start several wars.  Ruin the economy - maybe finish what Bush attempted and put is in a depression.  All you non-americans who think this is awesome - how'd you like the global recession Bush caused when he tanked our economy and it affected the entire world?  Want more of that (which a lot of the world never recovered from)?  The rich will get richer and everybody else will get screwed.  Again.  As it always is with republicans in charge.

Gotta hand it to the republican party though - they understand propaganda and how easy it is to manipulate the masses.  They get people to vote against their own best interests constantly.  It's too bad the democrats want to be nice guys and can't seem to grasp how to play ball.

I'm no fan of Hilary and think the democrats blew it by even having her involved but voting for a complete turd just to be different was no answer.  That's the kind of childish rebellion thing teenagers do to spite their parents.

Anyways, we'll see.  I'll try to be optimistic but again, people just never learn.  Every time recently we've had a republican president they've been a disaster, because the real ideals of the republican party have nothing to do with "we the people" - unless you're rich white people maybe.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2016, 04:10:19 AM »
You seem to know a lot about the topic there, so I hope you are right, and not much bad happens.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2016, 09:39:23 AM »
I bet Canada is rubbing its hands together right about now. They get to cherry-pick some perfectly fine American immigrants. There were news reports that the website of Canadian immigration department got jammed due to all the extra traffic. I'm an outsider, but I'm just really disappointed to American people/system right now. It's not about Trump winning. It's about ending up with two pathetic candidates. One loudmouth buffoon, one unrelatable yes-woman. Of all the millions of people, it just had to boil down to those two. What a shame. A great democracy, they said. Leader of the free world, they said. Have you ever felt like you just don't want to talk to someone you've known for quite some time? Now replace that someone with an entire nation. But then again, who DOESN'T need a vacation right about now? There's a bunch to get over.

My advice: Disregard America, get beer.

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Re: El Presidente Trump?
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2016, 08:44:11 PM »
I'm going to put my two cents in (for what it's worth) because of the fact that this forum in not an echo chamber and I seek constructive discourse.

Before I get started, I need to say that I voted for Hillary. Throughout this entire campaign I have been perplexed by the number of people who were supporting Donald. However, these last few days since the election have been extremely insightful for me. I've come to realize why so many people voted for Donald. Some of the reasons I've found included:

1) They wanted an end to corporate globalization
2) They care more about our national issues, than international ones
3) They are willing to pay the price of any social ramifications in order to have a president that isn't a politician
4) When faced with the lesser of two evils, they chose the one that aligned with their economic ideology

When I started to understand these points, I realized two things. One, how a moderate voter may be swayed to his side. And two, why so many people didn't vote. Trying to choose between social ideology and economic ideology is paralyzing. Someone on the fence may think, "I don't want a corrupt government, but he is so xenophobic... I don't know what to do."

For me the choice was easy simply because I value the social issues more (also Trump's tax plan has a lot more deficit spending than Hillary's, but that's a different can of worms). So to anyone on this forum that voted for Trump - I disagree with you, but I understand where you are coming from.